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UCI can’t find jobs governor says stimulus created
October 31st, 2009, 5:00 am · 60 Comments · posted by Gary Robbins, science writer-editor
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger says Congress’ federal stimulus program has saved or created 8,356 jobs in the University of California system, a claim that comes as a surprise at UC Irvine, Orange County’s largest employer.
Schwarzenegger’s claim was made by his California Recovery Task Force,which also says the stimulus created or saved 26,156 jobs in the California State University system, bringing the total for the two systems to about 34,500.
“We can’t figure out where the governor’s office got the data to support saying 34,000 jobs have been saved in the CSU and UC systems. No such data has been forwarded by our campus to the state,” said Cathy Lawhon, director of media relations at UCI.
“Basically, the state cut to the UC system was $815 million. The stimulus money totaled about $700 million, which didn’t quite make up the difference. And what remains to be seen is, since that $700 million was a one-time shot in the arm, what happens in the next fiscal year?
“It is accurate to say we (UCI) have laid off several dozen people.”
UCI has about 14,000 full-time employees on its main campus and at its medical center in Orange.
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Cathy Lawhton needs to check her facts. From multiple sources, I’ve seen that the actual cut to CSU and UC was about 1.5 billion EACH. About half of that was backfilled by stimulus money, leaving UC with an $815 million dollar cut in its budget. Not barely $115, like she implies. UCI ALONE is taking a $70 million cut, documented by multiple sources.
So yes, the stimulus probably saved a lot of UC jobs. And yes, next year could be very grim when the stimulus runs out. President Yusdorf already pointed that out in a message last month.
Maybe teachers should start paying taxes again like everyone else to help the state economy.
Teachers do pay taxes like everyone else in the economy.
Gov Davis signed a bill into that says they don’t.
They just pay less than the rest of us. And the UCI teachers are not paying anything on the subsidized value of their University Hills McMansions. I betcha if they worked for an evil capitalist company that th IRS would be taxing this benefit.
http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=14080
http://www.fredgalves.com/content/view/160/28/
Some of the failed opposition - since you are at the paper, I’ll let you search your own archives.
A few weeks ago the OCR ran columns by UCI teachers to increase taxes that they did not have to pay.
Don’t charge me, have thee pay for me.
How typically OC! People with strong misinformed opinions. Please get your facts straight before you spread ignorance.
Any chance you wish to educate or are you just lamenting?
Gray Davis tried for a teacher tax exemption, but all the CA government instituted was a teacher tax credit, which is currently “suspended” anyway, so it essentially doesn’t exist. And we still have the problem that teachers across the state (and nation) at all levels are paid less (and in some cases, far less) than most other professions requiring the same amount of education and preparation, which is just crazy, because education is our best bet for a better future, so teaching is one of the most important professions. Teachers should be paid an amount that reflects that.
Oh ! I thinks so and I agree to you that Teachers should be paid an amount that reflects that
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Teachers DO pay taxes!
“Maybe teachers should start paying taxes again like everyone else to help the state economy.”
Huh?
The only tax break a teacher receives is a $250 credit to offset direct expenses for a classroom. I spend more than $1,000 on my students. My district has doesn’t even fund tissues or Purell in flu season. Teachers who have student loans and work in distressed schools can have part of their loan forgiven. Those of us who did not take a student loan and work in very challenging school receive no extra compensation or tax breaks.
Ones chosen profession does not earn tears from this private sector tax payer.
I’m confused. You acknowledge, as we’ve reported, that UCI has taken a big cut. (It’s actually about $77 million.) Then you say “the stimulus probably saved a lot of UC jobs.” Probably?
Gary,
Yeah, I kind of hedged there. If UC and CSU had taken the full cut, a lot more jobs would have been lost.
Editor’s Note: JK’s comment deleted for being insulting. Folks, it’s easy to make your points without insulting others.
Gary, you really need to step back ‘emotionally’ when blogging about UCI. You lose it when others have a different viewpoint and are ALWAYS too biased. I GET you need to smack lips for sourceful inormation, but you are not doing your job.
AND for the RECORD….again
Largest O.C. Employers
1. DISNEYLAND
2. COUNTY OF ORANGE
3. uci
You seem like a nice guy, but we all aren’t going to agree on everything.
JR: Your facts are incorrect. UCI is the county’s largest employer. And I don’t get emotional about UCI. I get annoyed by insulting remarks. The one like you tried to make won’t appear.
sheesh. There’s a big difference between insults and constructive criticism. Have it your way, Burger King.
UCI claims a workforce of 14,228 as of Fall 2008
http://today.uci.edu/iframe.php?p=/facts/fact_sheets_iframe.asp
Disneyland Resort claims a workforce of “approximately 20,000″
http://www.disneylandnews.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=418
I, too, am a little confused as to where other numbers are coming from.
Could you elucidate?
Thank you.
http://orangecojobs.com/
I was curious, and looked around, and every single website I looked at said that Disney was #1. Gary, could you please provide your source and/or methodology in determining #1?
Don’t know if it helps, but some UCI staff numbers don’t include student teachers (graduate students) who are technically staff as well…
the stimulus has not created jobs its just hype they want to get out there to make it seem the politicians are doing there job things are very grim and way worse than last year. Employers are only offering between 10-12 an hour something self supporting people can sustain or even live on. What a joke I meet people all the time in job agencies who’s unemployment beneftis have run out and they still dont have jobs. So even the unemployment numbers are way off they only reflect the people collecting unemployment benefits this is depressinga and extremly sad for many of us.
Of course the other thing that many are not even considering is that with all the major proposals that Obama has pushed and is pushing where he is inserting the US Federal govt into the private sector and making or proposing changes that may greatly affect businesses some may be holding off on hiring until they see what is going to happen.
Uncertainty can cause individuals and companies to hold off on investing or spending money or other financial committments.
Many of Obama’s proposals such as possible health care mandates on employers, and even just the fact that the govt is taking unprecedented control in the private sector inject uncertainty into the market.
Would you make hiring decisions that are not currently essential if you don’t know what it will cost to hire the person or whether the govt might impose new costly requirements on your business?
Or how about cap and trade which could also greatly increase the cost of doing business. All those things can affect whether a co will go ahead and hire now or wait to see what is going to happen.
From what I’ve heard the main effects of the stimulus has been on construction which is largely not as stable, or a different relationship between employee and employer if it is union work with the benefits and all through the union rather than directly through the employer. Not as much of a commitment by the employer.
OC4truth: The largest impact, nationwide, of the stimulus has been on education, not construction.
Most universities have lived in their own world for the last ten years. Now they are short. Time to figure out how to operate more efficiently just like every family and business had had to do.
I’d say it’s been longer than 10 years. And I agree with your viewpoint.
This is simple.
POST
POST THESE JOBS SO THAT WE CAN ALL SEE AND/OR APPLY FOR THEM. No posts equal no jobs. Show up the Jobs! This is more government BS. What about “TRANSPARANCY”? The only cutbacks should be in Sacramento and in the current public EXTORTION policies enacted by our government and legal system. PLAIN AND SIMPLE TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!
Straight up: Your remarks are welcome. But please stop capitalizing words. It is a form of shouting.
Save the editor comments for those that actually work under you unless you want to be labeled comrade.
These jobs are only for the people that were able to afford a master degree…
why is it that educators think that once they are tenured they are immune from the details that affect the non-academics? Layoffs and unemployment affect all Americans, not just the UC system.
tenured professors have been layed off, there is a financial exigency exemption in every university contract which allows IHE’s to lay off tenured instructors if the university is in dire financial straits which cannot be remedied. In some cases, whole departments are proposed to be elminated in the next fiscale year.
Has anyone looked at how many jobs family and friends of politicians have recieved since the stimulus was created? You have to look in the right places.
“You have to look in the right places.”
Help us out here. Where are the right places?
Haven’t you people been watching the drive-by media? The recession is over so get down on your knees and behold your king Obama.
If you believe any of this garbage from this rag or other state run media just go and drink your kool aide now and kiss your freedom and liberty goodbye.
Amen Brian. Politicians on both sides of the aisle (and YES university administrators are politicians by the nature of their job) often lie about their own initiatives. Recession over? Not by a long shot. The only people “stimulated” by the economy are the bigshots who are giving themselves bonuses and nice raises while the rest of us lose our jobs. I’m going on three months of having been laid off. Of the four interviews I’ve had, only two were in person. The job boards still don’t have a lot of listings.
Why do you think Warren Buffett recommended a second stimulus a few months back? He had just bought a major stake in Wells Fargo (or one of the other banks).
Probably at least 10 million jobs were saved by the stimulus. Wait! Make that 100 million jobs! However, no jobs were created for the millions who have lost their jobs. A sleight of hand trick by the Obama Administration. Actually NO jobs were created by the Stimulus, the money went to political pals who funded the Obama Presidential Campaign and are now reaping the rewards.
Sadly, it is the lowest paid and those who need to work the most are losing their jobs. Contracted janitors, graduate students and other student workers are bearing the brunt of this — not to mention the tradespeople not working on the mothballed half finished buildings. Regular workers are taking a pay cut. The rich and the powerful lose nothing of course.
Just to clarify one more time for the person that thinks teachers don’t pay taxes and Wilson signed something so they wouldn’t have to pay taxes. That’s totally ridiculous, never happened and teachers pay the exact same taxes as everyone else as Gary said.
Next year we will find out how many jobs were temporarily saved when the stimulus runs out and our California economy is still in the same poor shape it is now. Unfortunately, we will find out because the unemployment rate will continue to creep up.
I’m wondering if this talk of teachers not paying taxes is referring to the tax credit I think it was that was supposed to partially help make up for school supplies that teachers typically purchase out of their own pockets. Of course that happens at the elementary level, not sure about upper grades and college/university.
I think that has been kind of an on again/off again thing. And I think it was only about $500/yr or so. Not much considering what it was for.
if your big concern is not finding a job….then move out of cali….there are plenty of states like texas that you can go to who don’t have the same unemployeement rates….sometimes you need to stop cryin and do what needs to be done
Obama stimulus = OUT RIGHT FRAUD
It should also be pretty obvious that saving jobs is significantly different than creating them. Just a bit of prolonging the inevitable going on here. Seems to be the theme of all bailouts and “stimulus”.
I think the jobs saved were in the k-12 system mostly and not in the college system. From what teachers in that system are being told now and currently is it saved their jobs for one year. Since Calif cut the education once again even since those jobs were saved the original 1 year saved jobs in k-12 school districts will be cut.
For most k-12 school districts sports and other extra curriculars will not be cut only the teachers. It’s a trade-off. Increased class size vs sports. Districts are having to cut millons more from their budgets and so you either cut teachers or sports. Sports are more popular among parents and students so that’s what will happen in most districts.
figures lie , and liars figure !
The government’s numbers are a fraud that Madoff or Enron would envy.
Editor’s Note: Gouscou comment deleted for being way off topic.
What’s wrong with your link, I can’t click on the letter e in the word Force.
It saved my job as a teacher….I don’t understand how they can’t find how it helped…what were their research methods?
What was their criteria for stimulus package creating jobs? Saved jobs that would otherwise disappear are created jobs!
All forms of elected government continue to lie directly to the publics face. Because so few Americans are really involved and well read regarding politics, they continually get away with this sheet. And they are not slowing with this approach, the lies are quickening.
Way, way up there, GiveDudeABreak complains that UCI profs don’t pay taxes on the houses in Uhills. I’ll give you some facts instead.
The profs pay taxes on the house, and also on the land that leased from/owned by the UC Board of Regents, so the taxes are the same as for the similar located elsewhere in Irvine. Up front, the house price is discounted because you don’t buy the land. In the long run, ongoing costs include land rent in addition to the mortgage, and continueing after the mortgage should you live there long enough to pay it off.
Is it a good deal? Yes. Is it an amazingly sweet tax-free deal? No.
According to the website for the recovery funds:
http://www.recovery.gov, clicking on UC Irvine on the map shows that
$25 million have been allocated to UC Irvine in grants, with an
impressive list of research topics which undoubtedly fund
graduate student and postdoctoral research.
Stimulus funds to California total $18.5 billion of which $8.2
billion have been received. This has accounted for 110,000 jobs.
Denial is a a river of abundance.
KJH: UCI has more than 20,000 workers when you count part-time student employees. As you know, Disneyland has tons of part-time workers.
Editor’s Note: I’ve deleted a Gouscoc post for the second time today for being way off topic. The topic is jobs in the University of California system, not K-12 education.